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Sheri
04-12-2011, 04:19 PM
but as a loving parent my job is to protect my children, to keep them from running in the street, keep them as safe as I can, teach them about God, teach them rules, be there for them, comfort them when they fall, but moreso try to catch them.

So if God is our Father (and I Know He is) why doesn't he do the same? Why does he allow bad things to happen to people who didn't bring it on themselves? Why doesn't he protect them? Keep them from running in the streets?

I am having a really hard time. I really feel like He's asleep at the wheel. And I am hurt and oh so very angry.

I know He's not, I am NOT being blasphemous, but how do you work through these things?

Marcia
04-12-2011, 04:44 PM
Sheri,

I so understand your question! :yes: :( :group: I don't know exactly the circumstance, but my first thought is Love doesn't force our will. Love gives us freedom to choose.

I've shaken my fist at God and yelled "WHY???!" I don't think He is offended. He is right there with us in the struggles and questions.

Love you, :group:

ETA: I also want to add that when bad things happen that we don't have any control over, it's very hard to understand. We live in a fallen world. :( People are free to hurt others or make bad decisions that affect others. It stinks. Have you read The Shack?

TonyaP
04-12-2011, 05:05 PM
If your child never falls, how will they ever learn the danger of heights?

KarenF
04-12-2011, 05:07 PM
Dr. Geisler answers the question- if God why Evil? I love Dr. G. He's my former professor and a friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtOOPaNmJFY

Kristina J
04-12-2011, 05:30 PM
I believe that good can come from bad circumstances. He allows it for his Will to be glorified. He sees the big picture when we see just a sliver of his plan.

And if bad things didn't happen, we wouldn't long for heaven.

Just my thoughts!

:group:

Esther-Alabama
04-12-2011, 05:32 PM
Honey, if I knew the answer, I would tell you. This is something I have struggled with for a really long time.

I was a pediatric nurse for 12 years. I have cried an ocean of tears for my patients and their families. I have asked,"Why?" so very often.

Then, i lived through several personal tragedies. Miscarriages, my nephew's accident and eventual death, the premature birth and death of my cousin's son, my dh's grandparents long and difficult illnesses and eventual deaths. I have questioned and gotten angry at God.

Thankfully, He is big enough to handle my anger and questioning. I still don't know the answers, but I do know....He is there to stand beside me thru it all.

Sheri
04-12-2011, 05:48 PM
Tonya, the problem I have with your answer (And I TOTALLY get your answer, I've said it a million times myself) is that I am not referring to people walking a tightrope or standing on the edge. I am talking about people out for a picnic and a sinkhole opens up under them.

I do appreciate your answers, its just something I've been thinking through for a while and I'll tell you what, this depression makes me see things very differently and with a lot of anger (and He knows I am angry, I tell Him pretty regularly in fact most of my time is spent crying and questioning).

And then Kristina...(forgive me if I misquote what you wrote or misread it) I also believe that all things work together for good, but does he allow the bad so that the good can come of it or does he work with the bad so that good can come of it? I tend to hope the second one is right. But I suppose when I get to heaven I'll just have to ask Him.

Why do the innocents have to suffer? Why are children killed by Drunk drivers but the drunk drivers live (Just a generic example)? I am just so frustrated right now.

Kat in Co
04-12-2011, 05:55 PM
No answers.
No insights.
No wisdom.
Just one of these.:group:

Judyn
04-12-2011, 06:50 PM
I am sort of like Kat...I don't really have an answer, but I will say that it always helps to have His words repeated...

here is one I can repeat over and over and over and over

1 Corinthians 13:12
Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

Meaning...it aint over till its over. And then...we will understand His purpose. Because there IS a reason for everything.

:group:

Loralin
04-12-2011, 06:57 PM
Honestly, I've questioned God a lot lately. I KNOW He is a good God. I KNOW He loves me. But, He still allowed awful things to happen to innocents. I don't get it. I KNOW all things work together for good... but I still question, why? I guess I long for heaven more now than ever, but is it necessary to have the innocents suffer just for that? I don't understand. It's too much for me to understand. I guess It's not for me to understand. I need to give it to God and leave it there. It is hard.:group::group:

Lindsey Carter
04-12-2011, 07:04 PM
I've been through some tough times. I was raised by a mother who was paralyzed at 14 in a car accident. I've had a miscarriage and I've nearly died. I've lived through a year of poverty. I've live with an ongoing illness and have been told at various times by doctors that I'm at risk of sudden death. I also have a daughter with a chronic disease who went through a year of daily pain. I've lived in a third world country where I saw injustice and pain in many nearly everyday. So yeah, I've thought about the same things. I don't claim to have all the answers, but here are some of the thoughts that have helped me live through tough times.

We live in a fallen world. We are all sinners. We deserve and should expect pain and death. Part of why this feels so wrong and why we feel it is an injustice is because we were created for something else (to live in the garden with God) and that feeling of injustice actually points us toward God. However, by God's great mercy an grace we experience times of joy and can receive eternal life. Life, peace and joy are not what we deserve, they are gifts.

So I'm okay with pain, suffering and death in this world, but I often think why doesn't God choose to intervene for me or the ones I love? Sure he doesn't cause these problems, but why doesn't he rescue me. I know that he can, but many times he doesn't. So many of life's difficulties feel purposeless.

However, I know that God has a plan that I can't see. He knows what the effects of rescuing me would be. Sometimes divine intervention doesn't result in ideal outcomes. Just look at the Israelites in the wilderness! And as difficult as it is for me to swallow, the Bible says that trials produce character. I often wish there was another way, but it is true. I don't believe I would be as compassionate, faithful, and trusting in the Lord if I had not lived through difficult times.

I know that he has my best interest at heart. I also believe that there are many times when he has protected me from harm or suffering. Sometimes I have seen these and other times I haven't.

What helps me the most is to keep an eternal perspective. My life on earth is temporary. We all will die eventually. What matters most to me is what I do prepare for the life to come. I can focus on my problems and feelings (and those of the ones I love) and my life will be an emotional roller coaster that could easily lead to bitterness. Or I can trust in the God who gives me what I don't deserve. “I can fix my eyes on Jesus the author and finisher of my faith”. Honestly there are days that feel like it is a battle to keep my eyes on Jesus. But “I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.” It isn't easy but God has brought me times of peace in-spite of difficulties, joy in times of sorrow, and I know that he is with me even when I don't feel his presence.

I think that asking these questions is a good thing. God can handle all of our questions. I pray that you will find joy that lasts and peace in the midst of your greatest trials and that you will know the depth of the love of Christ. Remember the best is yet to come!

Elysa Mac
04-12-2011, 07:05 PM
Have you read ONE THOUSAND GIFTS? I'm right at the point in the book where she deals with this issue.

Jo in PRC
04-12-2011, 07:19 PM
Sheri - :group:

Julie in AZ
04-12-2011, 07:57 PM
Such tough questions and you're facing such a difficult time. I don't have any answers but I'm happy to listen and stand with you in prayer, Sheri. I'm sorry you're going through this. :group:

Debbie W
04-12-2011, 08:06 PM
I am a good person, but I am a sinner and God's word tells me all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We live in a fallen world and while on this earth we will have to live with the repercusions of sin. Our own and sometimes someone elses sin that effects us.

Gods word tells me also though that Jesus is the perfector of my faith and that all things are possible through him who strengthens me. In John God's word says we can have peace through Him. That in this world we will have tribulation, but to take heart because he has overcome the world!

Trials and tribulations come, but we receive comfort from Jesus and the testing and perfecting of our faith enables us to then turn around and comfort others when they face the same trials and tribulations.

It's not for us to save everyone who goes througha trial. In fact it's not for us to save anyone at all because we aren't a savior they are in need of. But when we have gone through something horrendous or trying or hurtful I think our spirit recognizes that hurt in another human being when we come into contact with them.

If we take to heart 2 corinthans 1:4 and allow Jesus to comfort us in our darkest hour and gain peace and comfort then when we see another hurting in the same way we have the ability to reach out and comfort them because we know what THAT hurt feels like.

This is how we win victory over satan. How we can grow and become strong in the Lord and have a testimony that people will hear and listen to and recognize God's hand in the healing.

Just think of what Jesus suffered on the cross. The horrible pain and shame and heinous beating he endured for us. He wasn't guilty, he didn't deserve any of that, but he willingly took our sins on himself. He is the perfector of our faith, he endured the cross, and the shame and now sits at the right hand of our Father.

What was it Paul said about trials, to count them all as joy! We could keep looking at the things of this world and it could get us down to the point of not having our focus where it needs to be. It appears things are hopeless.

But remember Gods' word says, all things work together for good to those who love God and are called according to His purpose. I don't understand everything God allows or why. But I don't have to and it could drive me crazy trying to find the answer to a question that is unanswerable on this earth.

In fact the way I understand 2 Corinthians 1:4 is that we recieved comfort from God so that we CAN comfort others. In fact here is what the verse says. who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves have received from God.

I don't know why he allows suffering, especially of children. But he does provide a way of giving us comfort no matter what we go through.

Ami
04-12-2011, 08:28 PM
Reprinted from Amy Scott's blog (http://humblemusings.com/):

This is a letter written in 1567 from a man to his wife before his execution. You can see his theology, or his study and understanding of God, has hands and feet and teeth and nails and grit. When pain and suffering and the heavy kind of stuff pins you to your the bed and won’t let you up, when this sort of thing comes your way, this is the faith that I want in my life. But it has to already be there, before the thing happens.

Here’s it is:


Letter of Comfort from Guido de Brès to His Wife

The grace and mercy of our good God and heavenly Father, and the love of His Son, our Saviour Jesus Christ, be with you, my dearly beloved.

Catherine Ramon, my dear and beloved wife and sister in our Lord Jesus Christ: your anguish and sadness disturbs somewhat my joy and the happiness of my heart, so I am writing this for the consolation of both of us, and especially for your consolation, since you have always loved me with an ardent affection, and because it pleases the Lord to separate us from each other. I feel your sorrow over this separation more keenly than mine. I pray you not to be troubled too much over this, for fear of offending God. You knew when you married me that you were taking a mortal husband, who was uncertain of life, and yet it has pleased God to permit us to live together for seven years, giving us five children. If the Lord had wished us to live together longer, he would have provided the way. But it did not please him to do this and may his will be done.

Now remember that I did not fall into the hands of my enemies by mere chance, but through the providence of my God who controls and governs all things, the least as well as the greatest. This is shown by the words of Christ, “Be not afraid. Your very hairs are numbered. Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? And not one of them shall fall to the ground without the will of your Father. Then fear nothing. You are more excellent than many sparrows.” These words of divine wisdom say that God knows the number of my hairs. How then can harm come to me without the command and providence of God? It could not happen, unless one should say that God is no longer God. This is why the Prophet says that there is no affliction in the city that the Lord has not willed.

Many saintly persons who were before us consoled themselves in their afflictions and tribulations with this doctrine. Joseph, having been sold by his brothers and taken into Egypt, says, “You did a wicked deed, but God has turned it to your good. God sent me into Egypt before you for your profit.” (Genesis 50). David also experienced this when Shimei cursed him. So too in the case of Job and many others.

And that is why the Evangelists write so carefully of the sufferings and of the death of our Lord Jesus Christ, adding, “And this was done that that which was written of Him might be accomplished.” The same should be said of all the members of Christ.

Continued below..

Ami
04-12-2011, 08:29 PM
It is very true that human reason rebels against this doctrine and resists it as much as possible and I have very strongly experienced this myself. When I was arrested, I would say to myself, “So many of us should not have traveled together. We were betrayed by this one or that one. We ought not to have been arrested.” With such thoughts I became overwhelmed, until my spirits were raised by meditation on the providence of God. Then my heart began to feel a great repose. I began then to say, “My God, you have caused me to be born in the time you have ordained. During all the time of my life you have kept me and preserved me from great dangers and you have delivered me from them all – and if at present my hour has come in which I will pass from this life to you, may your will be done. I cannot escape from your hands. And if I could, I would not, since it is happiness for me to conform to your will.” These thoughts made my heart cheerful again.

And I pray you, my dear and faithful companion, to join me in thanking God for what he has done. For he does nothing that is not just and very equitable, and you should believe that it is for my good and for my peace. You have seen and felt my labours, cross, persecutions, and afflictions which I have endured, and have even had a part in them when you accompanied me in my travels during the time of my exile. Now my God has extended his hand to receive me into his blessed kingdom. I shall see it before you and when it shall please the Lord, you will follow me. This separation is not for all time. The Lord will receive you also to join us together again in our head, Jesus Christ.

This is not the place of our habitation – that is in heaven. This is only the place of our journey. That is why we long for our true country, which is heaven. We desire to be received in the home of our Heavenly Father, to see our Brother, Head, and Saviour Jesus Christ, to see the noble company of the patriarchs, prophets, apostles and many thousands of martyrs, into whose company I hope to be received when I have finished the course of my work which I received from my Lord Jesus Christ.

I pray you, my dearly beloved, to console yourself with meditation on these things. Consider the honour that God has done you, in giving you a husband who was not only a minister of the Son of God, but so esteemed of God that he allowed him to have the crown of martyrs. It is an honour the like of which God has never even given to the angels.

I am happy; my heart is light and it lacks nothing in my afflictions. I am so filled with the abundance of the richness of my God that I have enough for me and all those to whom I can speak. So I pray my God that he will continue his kindness to me, his prisoner. The One in whom I have trusted will do it, for I have found by experience that he will never leave those who have trusted in him. I would never have thought that God would have been so kind to such a poor creature as I. I feel the faithfulness of my Lord Jesus Christ.

Ami
04-12-2011, 08:29 PM
I am practicing now what I have preached to others. And I must confess that when I preached I would speak about the things I am actually experiencing as a blind man speaks of colour. Since I was taken prisoner I have profited more and learned more than during all the rest of my life. I am in a very good school: the Holy Spirit inspires me continually and teaches me how to use the weapons in this combat. On the other side is Satan, the adversary of all children of God. He is like a boisterous, roaring lion. He constantly surrounds me and seeks to wound me. But he who has said, “Fear not, for I have overcome the world,” makes me victorious. And already I see that the Lord puts Satan under my feet and I feel the power of God perfected in my weakness.

Our Lord permits me on the one hand to feel my weakness and my smallness, that I am but a small vessel on the earth, very fragile, to the end that he would humble me, so that all the glory of the victory may be given to him. On the other hand, he fortifies me and consoles me in an unbelievable way. I have more comfort than the enemies of the gospel. I eat, drink and rest better than they do. I am held in a very strong prison, very bleak, obscure and dark. The prison is known by the obscure name “Brunain.” The air is poor and it stinks. On my feet and hands I have irons, big and heavy. They are a continual hell, hollowing my limbs up to my poor bones. The chief constable comes to look at my irons two or three times a day, fearing that I will escape. There are three guards of forty men before the door of the prison.

I have also the visits of Monsieur de Hamaide. He comes to see me, to console me, and to exhort me to patience, as he says. However, he comes after dinner, after he has wine in the head and a full stomach. You can imagine what these consolations are. He threatens me and says to me that if I would show any intention of escaping he would have me chained by the neck, the body and legs, so that I could not move a finger; and he says many other things in this order. But for all that, my God does not take away his promises, consoling my heart, giving me very much contentment.

Since such things have happened, my dear sister and faithful wife, I implore you to find comfort from the Lord in your afflictions and to place your troubles with him. He is the husband of believing widows and the father of poor orphans. He will never leave you – of that I can assure you. Conduct yourself as a Christian woman, faithful in the fear of God, as you always have been, honouring by your good life and conversation the doctrine of the Son of God, which your husband has preached.

As you have always loved me with great affection, I pray that you will continue this love toward our little children, instructing them in the knowledge of the true God and of his Son Jesus Christ. Be their father and their mother, and take care that they use honestly the little that God has given you. If God does you the favour to permit you to live in widowhood with our children after my death, that will be well. If you cannot, and the means are lacking, then go to some good man, faithful and fearing God. And when I can, I shall write to our friends to watch over you. I think that they will not let you want for anything. Take up your regular routine after the Lord has taken me. You have our daughter Sarah who will soon be grown. She will be your companion and help you in your troubles. She will console you in your tribulations and the Lord will always be with you. Greet our good friends in my name, and let them pray to God for me, that he may give me strength, speech, and the wisdom and ability to uphold the truth of the Son of God to the end and to the last breath of my life.

Farewell, Catherine, my dearly beloved. I pray my God that he will comfort you and give you contentment in his good will. I hope that God has given me the grace to write for your benefit, in such a way that you may be consoled in this poor world. Keep my letter for a remembrance of me. It is badly written, but it is what I am able to do, and not what I wish to do. Commend me to my good mother. I hope to write some consolation to her, if it pleases God. Greet also my good sister. May she take her affliction to God. Grace be with you.

At the prison, April 12, 1567.

Your faithful husband, Guy de Brès, minister of the Word of God at Valenciennes, and presently prisoner for the Son of God at the aforesaid place.

He was hung on May 31, 1567.

Rachel Jane
04-12-2011, 08:31 PM
:group:
I have poured over scripture and read many books concerning this question and I still do not have an answer for you other than...embarrassed to even type it...there are just some things we do not understand. I learn towards believing that we live in a fallen world where bad things just happen and then we have a choice. We can either scrooch up close to God and get some comfort or rage and cry until our anger is spent. Either way is acceptable and either way, we still live in the same world. When those bad things do occur, I can only hang on to the scripture that says that He will turn everything around for the good.

I believe God weeps when bad things happen to His daughters. I do not believe He causes them. I believe He is there to comfort and heal our broken places. I cant answer the question as to what stays his hand from preventing the bad thing. I only know that the one thing we can rely on is that His heart towards us is for good.

:group::group::group::group:

Ami
04-12-2011, 08:34 PM
This letter has been a challenge and enormous blessing to me. I felt it was fitting to share on this thread. :perplex: :group:

LillianD
04-12-2011, 09:15 PM
I remember my preacher once saying how we have no idea what God is protecting us against without us knowing. Maybe getting behind a slow driver is what protected us from getting t-boned an intersection up.

I do grapple with issue though myself. It's a very tough one:group:.

debbie in ak
04-12-2011, 09:46 PM
:group::group:Sheri- No answers for you. Just that I understand where you are coming from.

CJ
04-12-2011, 10:15 PM
I had the same question and this is what I've learned from deep study of the Bible:

1. Suffering is not from God.
James 1:13
Job 34:10
Deut. 32: 4
1 John 4:8
Rom 9:14

2. We suffer because of the enemy and because of our imperfections.
1 Peter 5:8,9
Romans 5:12
Ecc 9:11
Ecc 8:9
Jer 10:23

3. What does the Bible say about the current ruler of the world?
John 12:31
1 John 5:19
Luke 4:6
John 14:30
Eph 2:2

4. What can help us to endure?
1 Peter 5:7
1 Cor 10:13
Psalm 103: 13,14
Matt 10:29-31
Col 3:13
Rom 12:12
2 Tim 3:16
Is 40:28

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DD in IL
04-12-2011, 10:35 PM
sometimes it is the way those people on the picnic handle the sinkhole that demonstrates their character , their faith for one and we don't know the whole picture...we only see one small dot in the scheme of everything.....we don't know what tragedy can be used to bring others to Christ, to turn our own lives around, to save someone from some horrific event later in life......we just don't know....sometimes we can see the manifestation of what happened later on and sometimes we just never see it...but the next generation might....

Melanie
04-12-2011, 11:01 PM
First, I understand how you feel and have been asking this same question a lot lately. :group:

I wonder if God's relationship with us is really similar to our relationships with our own children? For instance, after already eating dessert, my 3 year old dd may ask for another cookie. I tell her no and she is upset. The cookie would taste so good and just one more cookie would be fine, right? But I can see something that a 3 year old isn't capable of seeing. I can see that giving her extra sweets could affect her health. I can see that giving into her begging is not good for her spirit. She can't see these things - she us too immature to understand. Likewise with my 7 year old son. He may ask me to buy him a toy when we're at Target shopping. A new Lego set would make him so happy! And honestly, I could buy him one. I could actually buy him lots of toys. But I normally don't (even though it would make him happy). I know that too many toys isn't good for him. I also know that if I spend all my money on toys. I may not be a le to pay our mortgage. These are things that a 7 year old can not understand.

So when I'm feeling like God has "let me down", I often think of myself as a child who is completely incapable of seeing the big picture. I know that God is loving and I just can't imagine that there's not something out there that I can't understand. I kind of have a feeling that when I get to heaven I'm going to spend a lot if time saying, "oh, I get it now!"

MichalL
04-12-2011, 11:42 PM
Thank you for posting that letter Ami.

Sheri
04-13-2011, 07:35 AM
Keep 'em coming. I am countering every single answer in my mind. I can't get my mind to open up.

Ami: I haven't had time to read the entire letter, I have a feeling it's going to take A LOT of focus. But I will get to it!

Lisalyn
04-13-2011, 08:59 AM
Tough questions. I think it comes from an adjustment of perspective. I do believe as Tonya posted that we can't appreciate, can't learn, can't develop our faith unless we suffer and/or experience life lessons.

I will never claim to have been dealt a harder hand than anyone else, but I have seen some stuff and I know that my life experiences have made me appreciate the good stuff so much more. Do I still grumble and murmur and get angry at God? Of course. But I'm much more likely to say, "Why NOT me?" now than "Why ME???"

I'm sure God smacks his forehead as he watches me stumble through life, unknowingly (and sometimes, knowingly :eyes: ) opening doors that allow Satan to run amuck! The more doors I open, the more room Satan has, and the more God allows so that I might learn to involve Him in every move I make. Why doesn't He rescue me? Because I have to learn. Because this is just a blip in the plan for my future--and I have no idea what part this pain might play towards my future.

I know God loves me and I know He hates to see me suffer. But I believe the doors I open, the doors people around me open, and the doors of my ancestors all play a part in the here and now and the circumstances of my life. It all leads to my character, my position in what comes next after this life.

:group:

Debbie W
04-13-2011, 09:07 AM
I remember my preacher once saying how we have no idea what God is protecting us against without us knowing. Maybe getting behind a slow driver is what protected us from getting t-boned an intersection up.

I do grapple with issue though myself. It's a very tough one:group:.

I do believe this. There have been times I have had someone come to mind in the middle of the day or felt the urge to pray an extra prayer for one of my kids. Thank God I heeded those times because I can recount to you so many incidents that they were saved from. Everything from a horse kick to drowning.

Yes those things still happened, but they weren't injured or drowned and I shudder to think what the outcome would have been if I hadn't prayed for them. We never know what we will face every day and incidents like those remind me each time how important it is to pray a covering over our kids every day.

Being grazed by a horses hoof or saved from a near drowning is such a tremendously better outcome than being seriously injured or becoming a drowning victim. What is it that God's word says about angels in heaven just waiting for us to invoke prayers of protection and they will immediately move in to protect those prayed for.

I also believe it's important to pray for traveling mercies when one is on the road also. I also hold with the idea that we never know if that slow driver was placed in front of us to keep us from a wreck, especially if we prayed over our travel before we left the house.

I've even taken to praying to find good bargains and to be a good steward of the money we have for groceries. Ever since doing that I've done well with saving money. All except the one week when I got in a hurry and forgot to pray before my shopping trip. I still saved money but I didn't do as well.

Alice R
04-13-2011, 11:09 AM
I can't add anything that hasn't already been said.

I do think this question is very critical (important) to our faith. I think this is one of those things that makes people turn from God. You hear it all the time "what good is God?" "why does God let X happen" etc. In fact, I was just listening to this whole conversation on the radio on a long drive home from the Dr. In NY, a 37 year old woman drove her four children (and herself) into a lake and the 10 year old got away. WHAT did that 11 month old child, 5 year old and 7 year old do to cause a horrible death of drowning??? :sad: The (secular) talk radio host opened the phone lines and people called in from all different faiths Everyone tried to give an answer but still, no one had an answer that we could say "yep, that's why". Some people called in and said "this is why I don't believe in a god, it's too cruel"

As believers, we really do need to work on this area of our faith. I always feel like an idiot when people say that and I really don't have anything outstanding to say, ya know?

Sheri, someone quoted this to me recently and I liked it "we are not humans having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience" Kinda changes the perspective a bit.

hugs. :group:

Sheri
04-13-2011, 11:58 AM
I can't add anything that hasn't already been said.

I do think this question is very critical to our faith.

As believers, we really do need to work on this area of our faith. I always feel like an idiot when people say that and I really don't have anything outstanding to say, ya know?

Sheri, someone quoted this to me recently and I liked it "we are not humans having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience" Kinda changes the perspective a bit.

hugs. :group:

Okay and I always read far too much into stuff. You didn't think I was being critical of our faith do you? I didn't mean it that way. Oh gosh. Shut up Sheri.

Alice R
04-13-2011, 12:09 PM
No Sheri.

I meant "critical" as in important. Not critical as in picking something apart.

I meant "I think this question is so very important to our faith"


And it really is. I think it's a question that we all think many times a day and don't talk about too much.


Sorry if my word choice upset you. :group: I know you're not feeling well and I certainly don't want to add to your stress. :group:

Sheri
04-13-2011, 12:12 PM
It didn't upset me Alice. I am just so confused right now and to me everything has/is a double entendre. (Did I even use that word right? LOL) It's just my brain. That's actually why I asked, so I could catch it before my brain went berserk with it. Make sense?

Alice R
04-13-2011, 12:31 PM
Glad you didn't get upset. :group:

DD in IL
04-13-2011, 05:29 PM
I guess one reason many get upset with God when something bad happens is because He is our safe place...just like we yell at our husbands, our kids yell at us, many want to yell at God. He is going to love you anyway, just as you love your kids and your husband loves you.

I was watching Dr. Oz today....his suggestion for good health and to ward off or help with depression is to make a conscientious effort to telephone (socially) 2 people a week and make a social engagement once week whether it be go out for a soda, to eat, or just to talk. My friend was being treated for depression several years and then they decided it was bipolar. She went from a fun, outgoing, talkative person to someone you just never heard from anymore that spent money like it was water and when you did try to talk to her she often didn't make any sense because of all the meds treating depression. Now that she is on different meds she is almost back to where she was years ago.

Carol Ryan
04-14-2011, 01:34 AM
This is an amazing thread. Thank you, Sheri for asking the question, and thank you, ladies for answering with your experience, strength, and hope. :hcry:

This is definitely a keeper thread! :)

When i have my own thoughts together, I will add to this. Right now, I am just feeling overwhelmed and blessed to read all of these responses. And yes, I agree Sheri, it will take a lot of focus to read and process each and every one of these.

Awesome replies to a very difficult but important question!